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Waza hat geschrieben:Jagd hat in Afrika mehr zum Wildschutz beigetragen als sich viele vorstellen können.
Der ein oder andere ist anscheinend aus Prinzip dagegen, ob sinnvoll oder nicht. Eine fragwürdige Einstellung. Ob man Jagd nun mag oder nicht, wenn Sie zum Naturschutz beiträgt sollten wir uns doch freuen oder nicht?
Mich würde interessieren, wie es die Natur geschafft hat vor dem Homosapiens zu überleben. Naturschutz scheint erst seit dem Zeitpunkt zu funktionieren, seit der Mensch "regulierend" eingreift.

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Hat alles super geklappt bevor es 7,2Milliareden Menschen gab und "Natur" auf winzige Flecken beschränkt ist.
Wenn wir heute aufhören Natur zu schützen und zu "managen" riskieren wir den Verlust von Biodiversität.
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Waza hat geschrieben:Hat alles super geklappt bevor es 7,2Milliareden Menschen gab und "Natur" auf winzige Flecken beschränkt ist.
Wenn wir heute aufhören Natur zu schützen und zu "managen" riskieren wir den Verlust von Biodiversität.
Schliesslich haben wir einen göttlichen Auftrag: macht euch die Erde Untertan. Wirklich beeindruckend, mit welchem Enthusiasmus wir unserem Auftrag nachkommen.
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Waza hat geschrieben:Die langfristige Perspektive sehe ich allerdings nicht negativ und hätte gerne eine Begründung dafür!?
Du kannst Dir die Statistiken für Kenia, Tansania, Südafrika, Namibia, Botswana usw. angucken: Foto-Tourismus spült zigfach höhere Beträge in die Kassen als die Trophäenjagd. Ökotourismus und Trophäenjagd können kaum zusammen in einem Gebiet existieren. Mehr und mehr der verbliebenen "wilden" Gebiete werden touristisch erschlossen. Man wird sich fast überall früher oder später für das eine oder andere Modell entscheiden müssen und in der Mehrzahl wird Foto-Tourismus ökonomisch attraktiver und somit die Wahl sein. Trophäenjagd wird deshalb aus ganz simplen ökonomischen Gründen zurückgedrängt werden.
Waza hat geschrieben:Tut mir leid, aber das ist totaler quatsch.
Nein, totaler Quatsch ist die Argumentation der Jäger, das der Bann der Trophäenjagd DIE Ursache für den Rückgang der Wildbestände in Kenia ist und das ein Beweis für pauschal segensreiche Wirkungen der Trophäenjagd ist. Wie schon gesagt ist das eine komplexe Formel mit vielen Parametern. U.a. ist seit dem Bann der Trophäenjagd die Bevölkerung in Kenia von 14 Mio auf 40 Mio geradezu explodiert. Das lassen Jäger komplett unter den Tisch fallen. Willst Du ernsthaft behaupten, dass diese Bevölkerungsexplosion keinen gravierenden Einfluss auf die Wildtierbestände hatte oder durch Trophäenjagd verhindert worden wäre? Das ist völlig absurd.
Meines Wissens war die Entscheidung die Trophäenjagd zu verbieten eine rein politische und war nicht durch Fakten gestützt.
Es wurden vom Präsidenten und mehreren Ministern verschiedene Gründe angeführt. Einer war, das viele Tierbestände sinken und es zumindest so lange keine Trophäenjagd geben soll, bist die Ursachen genauer untersucht sind. Ein anderer genannter Grund war, dass es den Kampf gegen Wilderei zum Teil sehr erschwert, wenn in einem Gebiet neben Wilderern ggf. auch legale Jäger unterwegs sind. Ich denke Botswana meint da insbesondere die Grenzregionen zu Zimbabwe (Hunters road etc.)
Was mit den Tierbeständen in den riesigen Kommunalgebieten passiert, die sich bisher aus der Jagd finanziert haben, bleibt abzuwarten.
Wenn der Staat in den Konzessionsgebieten insbesondere südlich des Chobe NP nicht die bisher von Jagdkonzessionären unterhaltenen Wasserlöcher usw. weiter betreibt, kann das in der Tat sehr negative Auswirkungen haben. Da stimme ich zu.
Für die Zukunft des Chobe NP sehe ich schwarz. Zu viele Elefanten und kein vernünftiges Management, eine Schande.
Für Botswana wird insbesondere für die Chobe-Region mit ihren über 100.000 Elefanten die Katastrophe regelmäßig an die Wand gemalt. Ich hielt dieses Szenario auch immer für sehr einleuchtend. Nur wird die Katastrophe jetzt seit Ewigkeiten an die Wand gemalt, tritt aber irgendwie nicht ein. Und so langsam wird diese Leier für mich etwas fragwürdig. Man hat in den letzten Jahren ziemlich viel an vermeintlich gesichertem Wissen über Wildtiere korrigieren müssen. Man stellt mit neuen Technologien überrascht fest, das Löwen bis zu 70km am Tag laufen. Man hat überrascht festgestellt, dass männliche Löwen auch mit 12 Jahren teilweise noch erhebliche Beiträge zur Reproduktion leisten, während Jäger männliche Löwen pauschal mit 5-6 Jahren als für die Reproduktion nutzlos und somit problemlos abschießbar erklären. Man stellt mit DNA-Analysen überrascht fest, dass 30% des Nachwuchses eines Löwenrudel gar nicht vom jeweiligen Pascha gezeugt wurde. Mir fehlt da das Wissen, aber möglicherweise muss man auch mal Einiges zu Elefanten und deren Einfluss auf Ökosysteme korrigieren? Nebenbei dürften auch Projekte wie KAZA dafür sorgen, das sich die eventuellen Problematiken in der Chobe-Region etwas entschärfen.
Das ist Falsch. Zambia hat die Jagd auf den Konzessionsgebieten temporär gestoppt weil es Unregelmäßigkeiten (=Korruption) bei der Vergabe der Konzessionen gaben.
«In Zambia, where approximately US$3- million is earned annually from trophy hunting, Tourism and Arts Minister Sylvia Masebo said it loud and clear: ‘Why should we lose our animals for US$3-million a year? The benefits we get from [photographic] tourist visits are much higher.’»
Auch in Zambia gab es jahrzehntelang Trophäenjagd. Auch da sind über Jahrzehnte die Wildbestände gefallen. Wie kann das den sein, wenn die Trophäenjagd doch angeblich pauschal so segensreich für die Wildbestände ist - siehe Deine Kenia-Argumentation?
Bitte glaub mir die Jagd hilft und finanziert den Nashornschutz. Naturschutz in den Medien ist viel BlaBla und in der Realität siehts anders aus.
Ich soll also entscheiden, wer glaubwürdiger ist: Das Marketing des Dallas Safaris Clubs in eigener Sache oder die Aussage der Regierung von Namibia zu dem Thema. Das fällt mir nicht wirklich schwer.
Warum glaubst du denn, dass sich die Landbesitzer die Mühe machen die Tiere zu Schützen?
Damit diese massiv vom Aussterben bedrohte Gattung statt von einem Wilderer dann von einem Trophäenjäger abgeknallt werden kann oder wie? Sicher ist das in der Mehrheit nicht der Grund.

Ich habe früher die Trophäenjagd pauschal abgelehnt. Verstehen tue ich nach wie vor nicht, worin der Spaß liegt, ein Tier abzuknallen. Aber mittlerweile habe ich gelernt, das Trophäenjagd in einigen Gebieten eine positive Wirkung haben kann - nämlich da, wo man noch keinen Foto-Tourismus etablieren konnte. Einige wenige Gebiete mögen sich auch dauerhaft nur wenig für Tourismus eignen und Trophäenjagd in diesen wenigen Gebieten ein langfristiges Modell sein. Aber im Großen und Ganzen ist Trophäenjagd nicht die pauschale Lösung für den Arterhalt und das schon gar nicht langfristig.

Vielerorts ist die Trophäenjagd schon heute eher Teil des Problems, weil es mit der angeblichen Ethik der Trophäenjäger und Jagdausstatter allzu oft nicht weit her ist. Wer 20.000 USD für eine Trophäe auf den Tisch legt, der will dann eben auch eine "geile" Trophäe. Es muss der prächtigste Löwe sein - der alte Zausel im B-C-Zustand ist da nicht genug. Nur ist der prächtigste Löwe auch in der Natur gerade der wichtigste Löwe. Interessiert die angeblichen Naturschützer mit Gewehr allzu oft nicht.

Beste Grüße

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Waza hat geschrieben:Hat alles super geklappt bevor es 7,2Milliareden Menschen gab und "Natur" auf winzige Flecken beschränkt ist.
Wenn wir heute aufhören Natur zu schützen und zu "managen" riskieren wir den Verlust von Biodiversität.
ich denke, das, wenn alle 7,2 menschen mehr nachdenken würden, und nichtnur in die eigene tasche wirtschaften würden, würde sich die natur ihre freiräume wieder zurückholen und die biodiversität wieder herstellen. siehe wölfe in deutschland.

warum es keine studien über die nutzlosigkeit dertrophäenjagd gibt? wahrscheinlich weil die lobbyisten in den hohen etagen von wirtschaft und politik sitzen.
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Das Problem der Löwen in Botswana (und mittlerweile auch in Zambia)...........




Interessanter Text über Elefanten in Hwange NP.
RON THOMSON'S LETTER TO THE US FISH & WILDLIFE SERVICE
DATE: 12 APRIL 2014
P.O. Box 452
Kenton-on-Sea 6191
South Africa
Email: magron@ripplesoft.co.za.
Website: http://www.ronthomsonshuntingbooks.co.za.
To: Mr. Gavin Shire,
US Fish & Wildlife Service.
Dear Mr. Shire,
I wish to respond to the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service’s recent suspension of the importation (to the U.S.A.) of sport-hunted African elephant trophies taken in Tanzania and Zimbabwe during the calendar year 2014. I trust that the following report will give you a genuine insight into the REAL circumstances of Zimbabwe’s (and south central Africa’s) elephant populations.
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REPORT
A GENERAL OVERVIEW ON ZIMBABWE’S ELEPHANT POPULATIONS AND THE CONDITIONS OF THE HABITATS THAT SUPPORT THEM
First of all, I must introduce myself.
My name in Ron Thomson. I am a 75 year old ex-game Warden from Rhodesia & Zimbabwe. I served in the Rhodesian and then Zimbabwean, Department of National Parks and Wildlife Management for 24 years (1959 to 1983). Not only was I an active field officer in the department, I was also a Member of the British Institute of Biology (London) & Chartered Biologist for European Union (for c.20 years). If you investigate my history, you will discover that I have had a very distinguished career – and that I have extensive big game hunting, management and capture experience in Africa.
For the last 25 years I have been - and continue to be - a wildlife journalist in South Africa specialising in writing books and magazine articles about many wildlife subjects -including and particularly ‘the principles and practices of wildlife management’. You might say, therefore, that I have been ‘in the job’ for 55 years.
I know the 5000 sq mile Hwange National Park in Zimbabwe very well. I served three years in the park as a young game ranger (1960 to 1964). At that time (1960) there were only 3500 elephants in the national park (physically counted). They were then already demolishing their habitat & in the process they were eliminating various tree species - notably the Mukwa (Pterocarpus angolensis); and others. Many of those tree species are now locally extinct.
At that time it was determined the park should carry no more than 2500 elephants (one elephant per two square miles); and I was one of two young game rangers who were tasked with making the necessary population reductions. In those days there was no hunting (or culling) allowed inside the national park, so we were required to find and to destroy all elephants that left the park and that were living (seasonally and temporarily) in the Ndebele Tribal Trust Lands outside the park boundaries. The meat then went to the local people. I carried out this elephant population reduction – in addition to my normal game ranging duties – for three years (1961, 62 & 63).
Proper elephant culling commenced inside the national park in 1965 – whereafter (until 1987) 300 to 500 elephants were taken off every year. It was not enough.
Hwange (called ‘Wankie’ in those days) was the love of my life and throughout my career in national Parks I paid close attention to what was going on in Hwange vis-a-vis the elephant management situation. From the beginning of 1964, I was absent from Hwange – except for occasional visits – for 18 years.
During my period of absence from Hwange, I hunted and killed several thousand elephants (over a period of 5 years) in the Binga district of the Middle Zambezi Valley: (1) In protection of the Batonka people’s crops (The Batonka were refugees from the Lake Kariba basin); (2) to feed the Batonka people (after Lake Kariba filled to capacity for the first time in 1963); and (3) to eliminate elephants (and buffalo) in the Sebungwe Tsetse Fly Corridors (This to stop the spread of tsetse flies into the country’s commercial highveld farming areas).
In 1971/72, I was lead hunter, and commander of the operation, when we reduced the elephant population in the Gonarezhou National Park by 2,500 animals.
So although I was ‘away’ from Hwange for 18 years, therefore, I was still very actively involved in elephant management work within Zimbabwe.
I returned to Hwange in 1981 as the Provincial Game Warden-in-charge of the national park.
There were 23,000 elephants in the Hwange in 1981. This was because - for many years during the 1970s - the department’s expert ‘culling team’ was unable to keep up with the numbers that had to be removed. The last elephant culling exercise in Hwange took place in 1987. The reason for the culling team not being able to keep up with the culling task in Hwange, was because it was also responsible of culling elephants in every other major national park in the country. And, in the late 1980s the unit became totally occupied in catching, and translocating, the surviving black rhinos in the lower Zambezi Valley where they were being heavily poached by Zambian poachers.
So, a new and very arbitrary elephant management target was determined for Hwange – one that was thought might be attainable. The new idea was to reduce the elephant numbers in Hwange from 23 000 to 14 600 (one elephant be square kilometre). (c.5 000 square miles = c.14 600 square kilometres). Even this reduced number, however, was never achieved.
I was incensed by this (what I considered to be) dereliction of our duty – believing that a major facet of our management responsibilities was being neglected. I was very aware that our principle wildlife management objective at Hwange was to maintain the park’s biological diversity – and we were NOT achieving that desideratum (because there were too many elephants)!
But, at that time, the new Zimbabwe government had just taken office and money was short. So was the necessary elephant hunting/culling expertise ‘short’ - because many experienced white game rangers had left the country after Zimbabwe’s independence in 1980.
In 1981 the habitat that I took responsibility for in Hwange National Park was nothing like the one I remembered from the early 1960s. All the Mukwa trees had gone. Very few large Mlala palm trees were left standing. Several Acacia and Combretum tree species - entire species - appeared to be locally extinct; and the once heavy undergrowth in the ecotones of the teak forests - on the edge of the forests where they joined the grasslands - was now sparse and straggly.
The grasslands were a mess. The thick cynodon grass swards that once grew on all the major grassland/drainage lines had been eaten into extinction. In many places, where there had once been thick grass, there was nothing but wind-blown and rippling Kalahari desert sand. This was all caused by too many elephants and too many other grazers. But the elephants caused the most damage. They eat practically nothing but grass during the six-month long rainy season – when the grass is green and palatable – and, at that time of the year, they eat grass in very large quantities.
So, the Hwange National Park I inherited in 1981 needed an awful lot of very careful habitat management; and the elephant population needed to be reduced (then) by 20 000 animals. And, I could visibly see that the national park was already (then) well advanced towards becoming a desert.
Little has changed since the early 1980s. I have not been back since 1983 – but the habitat degradation trends (towards the park becoming a desert) that were very obvious to me in 1983, can only have progressed in the same direction over the last 30 years. The elephant population was not ‘managed’ in any way in the interim - and it has (at least) doubled in number since 1983 - so how could the habitat conditions possibly have got better?
Since 1987 NO elephant population reduction has taken place at all in Zimbabwe (or Hwange). Since the (Illogical and universal) CITES international ivory trade ban came into force in 1989, Zimbabwe could not afford to cull its elephants – because, prior to 1989, the sale of ivory paid the huge costs of the culling exercises.
The elephant population in Hwange now stands at between 30,000 and 50,000. I believe it must be nearer the 50 000 mark (or more) - because at a 7.2 percent incremental rate, the population was doubling its numbers every 10 years at the beginning of the 1980s. Dispersal has undoubtedly taken place also, however – out of the national park - induced by population pressure, and lack of food and water inside the national park. And calf mortality must have been horrific over the last 30 years.
When nutrition levels drop, lactating mother elephants are subjected to tremendous energy stress – to keep themselves alive AND to produce milk for their babies. And when there is no food available during the last several months of every dry season, the mother cow’s milk dries up. In nature - when food is short - it is more important that the mother survives and that the baby dies! In 1982/83 I shot a great many baby elephants that had separated from their mothers. Without milk, they did not have the strength to keep up with their mothers on the daily journeys they had to make, to and from the waterholes, in their search for non-existent food.
When baby elephants are thus abandoned, they fall easy prey to lions and hyenas that rip them to pieces in the night and devour them alive – because it is: (1) difficult to kill a baby elephant by way of the lion’s normal manner of killing (strangulation); and (2) it is not easy to rip open even a baby elephant’s thick skin to get at the meat.
I hesitate to make even the wildest guesstimate as to how many baby elephants died this terrible death, every dry season, between the time I left Hwange in 1983 and now (2014) – because for all that time (and more) Hwange has been carrying grossly far too many elephants; and food, every dry season, is in very short supply. THAT is a ‘given’.
I find it difficult, therefore, to accept the US Fish & Wildlife Service’s reasons for suspending the importation, into the USA, of elephant trophies from Zimbabwe; bearing in mind all the foregoing; and bearing in mind that several tens-of-thousands of elephants SHOULD be removed from the Hwange population for good and defendable wildlife management reasons – mainly to rescue what limited biological diversity still remains in the national park.
So now let’s take your decision apart point by point:
STATEMENT (1): You say: “There has been a significant decline in the elephant population” (although you DO say that “available data” is limited).
My first observation in this regard is: WHY did you make such an important decision if your information was so deficient and could NOT POSSIBLY stand up to any degree of responsible scrutiny? The fact that you base your decision ENTIRELY upon – “Anecdotal evidence, such as the widely publicized poisoning last year of 300 elephants in Hwange National Park, suggests that Zimbabwe’s elephants are (also) under siege” - is simply NOT good enough!
But let us examine this statement in its broadest sense.
(a). It would appear that you have based your opinion (inter alia) on press statements which allude to 300 elephants being poisoned by poachers in Hwange National Park last year (2013). Elephants WERE poisoned in Hwange last year but I have information from a more reliable source (from the horse’s mouth) that tells me the actual figure was less than half that number. You cannot rely on the veracity of the press! However, let’s accept the figure of 300; and let’s test its value as a valid determinant for your decision. So, note, from the very beginning I am giving YOUR argument all the positive advantages.
(b). I have stated that I believe there are between 30,000 and 50,000 elephants in Hwange today. Let’s take the lower figure – 30,000 – which will give YOUR suppositions YET greater strength.
(c). The incremental rate of Hwange’s elephant population (in the 1960s & 70s) was estimated to be 7.2 percent – which gives a population doubling time of 10 years. Let’s half that figure and say the incremental rate is 3.6 percent – to add EVEN MORE strength to YOUR bow. This gives us a population doubling time of 20 years.
(d). Now we get down to the nitty-gritty. 3.6% of 30,000 elephants gives us an actual annual increase of 1080 elephants per year. This figure (in general terms) equates to the number of calves which survive their first three years of life.
(e). When we take 300 (the number of elephants poisoned in 2013) from 1080 this leaves us STILL with an annual increase of 780 elephants that year.
(f). In a natural elephant population 50 percent are bulls and 50 percent are cows. The ratio, however, is greatly skewed in favour of cows when every year bulls are selectively shot by hunters. But let’s ignore that obvious fact. Nevertheless, ignoring that fact is yet ANOTHER bent that is in favour of YOUR argument. So I suggest we accept that of the 30,000 elephants, 15,000 are cows.
(g). Of those 15,000 cows – with ages ranging from 1 to 60 – at least three quarters are of a breeding age (Puberty at 10 years; Senility at 50). So 11,250 cows are breeding animals.
(h). The normal interval between elephant calves is 4 years. So the number of calves born every year, on average, is one quarter of 11,250; that equals
2,812. A number of these will die during their first dry season (because of elephant overpopulation).
(i). The fact that we have now calculated that 2 812 new elephants are born to the Hwange elephant population every year - even if the population remained static at 30 000 (which it doesn’t; it is constantly increasing) - this fact is now definitely NOT in favour of YOUR arguments. So the once-off poisoning of 300 elephants in 2013 - representing one percent of the population - had NO IMPACT whatsoever on the Hwange elephants.
(j). Furthermore, the fact that the poisoning happened during one short period of one year; that the responsible poachers were quickly apprehended and received heavy gaol sentences; and that there has never been a recurrence of such an event, suggests that the Zimbabwe authorities were “on the ball’. It cannot be said of them, therefore – as you accuse Tanzania – that there is a lack of effective wildlife law enforced in Zimbabwe.
(k) You have absolutely no right, therefore, to make untrue statements that Zimbabwe’s elephants are in decline or under siege – because they are clearly NOT; AND the basis for your decision to ban Zimbabwean elephant hunting trophies from being imported to the United States is TOTALLY invalid.
STATEMENT (2.): Further referring to your belief that “there is a significant decline in the elephant population” in Zimbabwe; and that “the elephants are under siege”.
(a). Nowhere in your dissertation is there any reference to the numbers of elephants that are being carried by Zimbabwe’s game reserves relative to the sustainable elephant carrying capacities of their habitats. This indicates to me that you have no interest, or concern - whatsoever - about the related and vitally important ecological considerations that SHOULD determine elephant management decisions. You are concerned with NUMBERS and that is all! You are DEFINITELY not AWARE of the fact, and seemingly not interested, that every single big game national park in Zimbabwe is GROSSLY OVERSTOCKED with elephants or that ALL these game reserves are ALL being converted into deserts; that the national parks’ other wildlife is consequently in decline; and that they are ALL losing their once very rich biological diversities – ALL because there are TOO MANY ELEPHANTS.
(b). If only you were right – that there is a significant decline in Zimbabwe’s elephants! If that were true there would be a chance that Zimbabwe’s once rich biological diversity could be rescued from the abyss. Unfortunately you are wrong. There are NO serious declines in Zimbabwe’s elephant numbers. And when ZIMBABWE might be desirous of legitimately ‘culling’ several tens of thousands of elephants’ – because it definitely has far too many elephants - what does a mere 300 (lost to poison) matter (and here I am talking about statistics not ethics or emotions)?
(c). Now I would like to ask YOU, Sir, a number of related questions. It is MY contention that ALL of Zimbabwe’s wildlife sanctuaries require massive elephant population reductions; followed by consistent annual culling programmes. IF Zimbabwe were to institute such a programme would YOU - the USFWS - support Zimbabwe at CITES in a bid to be able to sell the ivory and elephant hide that was forthcoming therefore? Or would you ‘blacklist’ Zimbabwe for NOT adhering to the US Fish & Wildlife Service dictates? I am sure the Zimbabweans would want to hear your answer to THAT question!
What is abundantly clear is that WHAT YOU BELIEVE AFRICA’s wildlife authorities should do – with regard to wildlife management practices and the marketing of their game products – is NOT what Africa’s wildlife authorities would like to do. And there is a very good reason for this.
America’s ‘wildlife culture’ is based upon an ‘anti-market hunting’ philosophy. Americans – generally - believe it is immoral to ‘make money’ out of indigenous wildlife (and, in America, it is illegal to do so). The wildlife cultures of the countries of southern Africa, on the other hand, are all based upon ‘the commercialisation of wildlife’. America’s wildlife culture and the wildlife cultures of Africa’s southern states are, therefore, TOTALLY antithetical. They are diametrically opposed. Having said that, however, we need to understand that ALL, and every, national sub-culture - within each and every nation – are very strong psychological forces in their national psyches.
In a context other than wildlife - but a parallel one to explain this fact - try forcing an Arab nation (whose citizens are radically Islamic) to adopt the Jewish (or Christian; or Buddhist) religion!!!!
Most people believe in the righteousness of their own (various and many) national sub-cultures – which include political; language; legal; dress; religion, education; business; agriculture...et cetera - and wildlife subcultures. It is right and proper that each and every nation should uphold, with high esteem, their cultural fabrics because they evolved over a very long period of time as a consequence of their historical experiences. Each sub-culture is an inherent part of a national cultural whole. The combination and the interrelationships of their various sub-cultures are, in fact, vitally important because it is from this complicated matrix that each country’s national character is moulded.
What responsible nations should be prepared to do, therefore, is to recognise their differences in this regard, and NOT try to force their cultural opinions and beliefs on other people. What works for the Americans will not necessarily work for other people – and most probably will not!
The ‘commercial basis’ of the wildlife cultures of southern Africa is just as important an issue to the citizens of the southern African states, as is the ‘anti-market hunting’ cultural issue important to the citizens of America. Neither country, therefore, should try to FORCE its opposing cultural beliefs on the other – but rather they should give each other the freedom to exercise their cultural beliefs in whatever way they like within their respective areas of jurisdiction. You cannot take a piece from one jigsaw puzzle and force it into the picture of another jigsaw puzzle - because it just does not ‘fit’ - so you can NOT force one nation’s wildlife subculture onto another (because national wildlife subcultures are NOT interchangeable).
In making this statement, I am NOT ‘pointing fingers’. I am merely stating facts and, by so doing, I hope to make it easier for both of us to ‘see’ our respective differences. This raises all sorts of psychological obstacles between us – and it will take extra special attention (from both of us) if we are to objectively see each other’s points of view.
I would like to point out that by imposing its ‘will’ on Tanzania and Zimbabwe – by banning the importation of their elephant hunting trophies into the United States – the USFWS has been blatantly imposing its own wildlife cultural interpretations onto these two foreign countries. No matter how much the USFWS may protest this fact, this is exactly what the USFWS has done with respect to its draconian ruling. So do not be surprised America, when AFRICA rejects this ‘bullying’ tactic – when it starts to kick back – when AFRICA begins looking towards other countries for its future partners – other countries that respect Africa for ‘what it is’ rather than ‘what they want to make of Africa; and how they can change our cultural character’.
Just bear in mind that for many of us in Africa, our wildlife culture (interpreted in the context of what is BEST for Africa) is just as powerfully upheld by us, as is the religion of Islam by the Arabs.
America, therefore, would be serving its own best interests if it stops meddling in our wildlife affairs, and if it stops trying to impose its will on Africa. It would behove America, in every way, to start working WITH Africa - genuinely - with the purpose of helping us to realise OUR dreams. Denying Tanzania and Zimbabwe access to the benefits that American hunters bring to this continent is a HUGE impediment to us realising our wildlife management objectives; and it is one (unnecessary and unjustified) obstacle that we could well do without.
(d). Fulfilling OUR wildlife management ‘needs’ are much more important to US, than are YOUR opinions about what YOU believe we should be doing – especially when you have now so thoroughly demonstrated that you have so little knowledge about what is REALLY going on in Africa, on the ground. It is, after all, AFRICA’s wildlife resources we are talking about NOT YOURS! In this regard - with respect - you treat us like children (as if we are ignorant of wildlife and its management) and I resent that – as do an awful lot of other people in Africa. WE, in fact, know MUCH MORE about Africa’s wildlife and its management needs, than does the USFWS – MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MORE!
This exemplifies the differences that can arise between people who have different wildlife cultural viewpoints; and who also have a great deal of tunnel vision.
(e). Who would you consider to be “RIGHT”, for example, when decisions have to made, and enacted, about the wildlife management practices in a sovereign African state? Would you favour the wishes of the African state (because the wildlife, after all, belongs to THEM), or would you insist that the USFWS is correct? This is a VERY pertinent question the answer to which the WHOLE OF AFRICA would dearly like to know the answer.
If we take the current case in point – the question about Americans hunting elephants in Tanzania and Zimbabwe and not being allowed to take their trophies home – the USFWS has clearly FORCED THE ISSUE. They have, with one stroke of the pen, unilaterally decreed (by connivance) that they are going to stop Americans from hunting elephants in both these countries. So maybe my question is unnecessary? Maybe I already have the answer? But this has given me a good opportunity to make my point: WHAT RIGHT HAS AMERICA to interfere so blatantly (and so bombastically) in the wildlife management affairs of an African country (ESPECIALLY on such dubious grounds)? This reality has huge implications with regards to the successes and/or the failures that African states can expect when they try to implement their own home-grown wildlife management programmes. In effect - because HUNTING plays such a dominant role in the finances of Africa’s wildlife management programmes - African states CANNOT devise or implement their own-designed wildlife programmes without first ‘getting permission’ from the USFWS in America. And how bizarre is that? And how ignominious is that for a sovereign African state?
(f). Africa is very conscious of the impending massive explosion of its human population this century. Today there are 650 million people in Africa south of the Sahara. By the year 2100 there will be 2.5 billion (United Nations statistics). As a consequence, there are many people in Africa looking towards creating a new paradigm for our wildlife management programmes – one that will WORK in the dense human population scenario that we know is coming. Many people (like me) realise that the ONLY solution to the very heavy pressures that our future human populations will be exerting on our wildlife sanctuaries – during the latter part of this century - is to fully integrate the ‘needs’ of our national parks’ with the ‘needs’ of the rural people who will be surrounding them.
And we cannot achieve THAT if we are NOT FREE to act as circumstances evolve and dictate; and especially if we have America’s USFWS breathing down our necks telling us what we can and cannot do. So Africa – especially southern Africa – would appreciate the USFWS (and America) ‘backing off’ so that we can ‘paddle our own canoe’. We would like it better, however, if America changed its tune and gave us help when we are struggling to achieve ‘our own’ wildlife management goals. Africa WANTS to make a success of whatever it does this century and it does not need unnecessary impediments to be put in place by the USFWS.
STATEMENT (3.): “Additional killing of elephants in Zimbabwe (and Tanzania), even if legal, is not sustainable and it is not currently supporting the conservation efforts that contribute towards the recovery of the species”.
(a). General: Once again I have to re-state that I have no idea where you get the idea that Zimbabwe’s elephants need to “RECOVER”? And again I have to ask: Recover from WHAT?
(b). Re Hwange National Park (and Zimbabwe generally): With regards to the ‘non-sustainable’ (use) aspect of your statement, I have indicated (above) that the elephant herds in Hwange are breeding in a more than a satisfactory manner. They are, in fact, breeding far too well. They are breeding themselves out of house and home. And they are increasing at an alarming rate.
The REAL threat to the elephants of Hwange National Park (AND to other elephant populations in Zimbabwe) is lack of food at the height of the dry season – which can and does cause huge die-offs when droughts are bad. Die-offs would not happen at all, however, if the elephants in Hwange (and elsewhere) were ‘living within their means’ – in other words, if their numbers were of a size that their habitats could sustainably carry (even in a drought year). The biggest danger to Zimbabwe’s elephants, therefore, actually comes from the elephants themselves – from their HUGE population numbers; and from the constant non-sustainable ‘mining’ of their limited food supplies.
So the perception that the USFWS has got, about the elephant situation in Hwange National Park (and elsewhere in Zimbabwe) could not be further from the truth.
(c). Re. The elephants in Zimbabwe’s 2000 square mile Gonarezhou National Park: I (and my supporting team) was directly responsible for reducing the elephant population in the Gonarezhou by 2500 animals in 1971/72 – from 5000 to 2500. Yes! We cut the population right in half! 10 years later the population had increased to 5000; and a colleague of mine (and his team) again reduced that population by half (in 1982/83). Since then the elephant population in the Gonarezhou has increased without constraint and it now numbers in excess of 10,000; and the habitats in the game reserve have been TOTALLY ruined.
The habitats will also now NEVER recover because the soil that once supported them has been washed down river into the Indian Ocean. This soil loss happened because the vegetative cover that once protected the soil from erosion is now gone. What caused the erosion (of the bare ground)? Every drop of rain that has fallen during the last 40 years; desiccation of the naked soil by the hot sun; the wind that blew the loose soil particles away; and trampling by a myriad of elephant feet and other animal hooves over the years! The root cause? Too many elephants!
So the protection of ALL elephants, at any cost, is causing the TOTAL destruction of Zimbabwe’s game reserves!
Furthermore, the elephants have eaten into oblivion practically every baobab tree in the game reserve – and, in 1960, there were HUNDREDS of giant baobabs in the park. LITERALLY HUNDREDS! Now, only those growing in remote positions amongst the rocks on the high hillsides (and so protected from elephants) survive. And the enormous baobab tree, Sir, lives to 5000 years old. That means they were 1700 years old (in the Gonarezhou) when Tutankhamen was Pharaoh of Ancient Egypt. To me, the baobabs are far more important than the elephants that kill them; elephants, after all, live for only 60 years – and elephants readily and quickly replace themselves. Baobabs do not!
The riverine forests on the Nuanetsi River and on the Lundi River (inside the Gonarezhou), that I knew in 1968, have now all gone - completely. And the mopani woodlands, and the deciduous sandveld woodlands, are now just piles of broken tree trunks (where anything of them is left at all).
In 1970, my estimate of the sustainable elephant carrying capacity for the Gonarezhou was 1000 animals (One elephant per two square miles). And if we want to help the game reserve’s habitats to RECOVER, we should halve that number and start the habitat reconstruction process at a level that WILL ALLOW the habitats to recover. And once the habitats have been restored, we could THEN allow the elephants to return to 1000 - which would be achieved after only 10 years! Tragically, the giant baobabs – those beautiful icons of Africa – are gone forever.
The Gonarezhou story exemplifies what our ‘conservation’ priorities should be. It tells us that our wildlife management ‘concerns’, in order of priority, should be:
(1). Our First Priority Concern: should be for the well-being of ‘The Soil’ – because without soil no plants can grow;
(2). Our Second Priority Concern: should be for the well being of ‘The Plants’ (habitats & food) – because without plants there would be no animals; and
(3). Our Third (& Last) Priority Concern: should be for the well being of the animals.
People who put their concern for animals FIRST are putting the cart before the horse. And, with regard to the issue we are addressing at this time, the USFWs priority concern is clearly ‘for the Elephants’. The USFWS, therefore – when it comes to their concerns for the wildlife resources of Africa - is clearly guilty of putting the ‘conservation’ cart before the horse!
(d) Re: The game reserves of the middle and lower Zambezi valleys: The elephants in all these game reserves are in exactly the same kind of fix as those in Hwange and the Gonarezhou. Their elephant population numbers are all grossly excessive - because they have not been culled during the last 25 years; and because their habitats have been shredded.
In the Chizarira and Matusadona National Parks, the once healthy miombo woodlands (1960 era) have all completely disappeared; only scrubby woody vegetation remains.
In the Mana Pools and Lower Zambezi Valley game reserves the mopani woodlands are seriously degraded; many baobabs have been eliminated, others ruined; and the riverine forests (what is left of them) are degrading fast. At Mana Pools only the giant Acacia albida trees remain on the floodplain – and they are still there ONLY because they are too big for the elephants to push over. But there are no replacements. And, within walking distance of water during the dry season, there is NO understory beneath the surviving big trees.
(e). Management Goals: All in all, if we want to manage Zimbabwe’s elephant populations for posterity (which SHOULD be our goal; and it SHOULD be YOUR goal, too, Sir), we should be thinking about (collectively) removing at least 100000 elephants from Zimbabwe’s game reserves. This is a thumb-suck guesstimate because I do not know the REAL figures - game reserve by game reserve. But I make this bald statement with a purpose. I want you, Sir, ‘to get the picture’ that I am trying to paint for you - about the REAL status of elephants in Zimbabwe today. There are far too many for the available habitats to sustainably maintain; and, rather than Zimbabwe applying “RECOVERY” management strategies for its elephants, it needs to be applying DRASTIC “POPULATION REDUCTION” measures. We do not have to help elephants to ‘recover’ (from anything) – they are quite adept at doing that without any help from us.
(f) So.... when you talk about ‘the recovery’ of the elephant population in Zimbabwe, I remain astounded! Again I ask - perplexed - what ‘recovery’ are you talking about? In living memory there has been no slump in the numbers of elephant s in Zimbabwe. Over the past 55 years - the period that I can personally talk about authoritatively, because during that period I was personally involved (and/or familiar) with all aspects of elephant management in Zimbabwe – there has ONLY been a persistent (and frightening) very fast rate of increase in elephant numbers. If Zimbabwe’s elephant mega-population was to ‘RECOVER’ any more, it would implode upon itself.
The wildlife management truth of the matter is that elephants in Zimbabwe will not prosper (that is, become vibrantly healthy) until the individual population numbers are reduced to a level that their respective habitats can sustainably support. And Zimbabwe is very far from achieving that state of affairs at this time.
Currently, the Elephants of Zimbabwe - ALL populations - are living “ON” (or below) the nutritional poverty line during every six-month’s long dry season. In every population their nutrition levels at that time of the year are so low (per capita) that there is a regular and very high mortality of calves up to one year of age (because their mother’s milk dries up). And in bad drought years, young elephants up to the age of three and four years (and sometimes older) also die of starvation.
When good year cycles return the survival of calves and juveniles improves - but many dry season deaths (due to starvation) still occur.
CONCLUSION.
With respect, Sir, the information you have been fed – and which has led you to believe that Zimbabwe’s elephants are in decline; and that they are threatened by Zimbabwe’s current sustainable-use management programmes (which includes hunting) - is grossly inaccurate. I further contend, Sir, that your argument - that intervention by the USFWS is necessary to save Africa’s elephants from extinction - is not just full of holes, it is one big hole.
I cannot speak with the same kind of authority for Tanzania, but the ecological circumstances surrounding elephants and their management throughout savannah Africa are much the same. So I would recommend that your moratorium on the importation of elephant hunting trophies from both countries (Tanzania AND Zimbabwe) should be lifted – and lifted immediately. If you have another problem with the Tanzanian government (which you seem to have), then deal with it at government level. Do not take out your chagrin (or whatever) on the country’s elephants, its wildlife or its people.
All your precipitate dictum has produced is one year of misery for a whole lot of Africa’s people – both within Zimbabwe and in Tanzania - and that statement will ONLY remain valid IF you rescind your illogical decision at the end of 2104. You must also be told - UNEQUIVOCALLY - that your action has opened wide the gates for the commercial poachers to enter all those wildlife areas where the hunters once operated. When professional hunters are in the field, they represent the biggest obstacle to poaching of all kinds! So, if your ‘purpose’ - by imposing the ban on elephant trophies into America - is genuine (that is, that it is truly intended ‘to save the African elephant’) your plan has been very badly conceived and it will go very badly awry.
Furthermore, whilst your moratorium on elephant trophy exports to America remains in force, the professional hunters and their teams of ‘local-people’ staff will have to find something else to do for a whole year – and if they can’t find new (temporary) employment, they (and their families) will, quite literally starve. And all the many benefits that flow to the local rural people, and to the wildlife sanctuaries where the elephant hunting takes place - most of which comes from America hunters - will come to a sudden dead stop.
The sustainable and ethical hunting of Africa’s trophy animals is the BEST way to ‘take wealth from the rich people of the First World’ and ‘give it to the poor people of Africa’. Nothing else matches it.
So why are you doing this? Why are you imposing this importation ban on elephant trophies to the U.S. from Tanzania and Zimbabwe? Your rationale is so flawed I could fly a Boeing 747 through the holes in your argument (because you have NO argument). The imposition of your dictum, Sir, will have NO positive effects; it will NOT stop the poaching – it will help the poachers; it will not help the elephants (and Africa’s other wildlife) - it will hurt the elephants (and Africa’s other wildlife); and it will hurt a whole lot of African people into the bargain as well, UNNECESSARILY.
I am angry about your draconian decision. So are a whole lot of other people here in Africa. We are angry at the USFWS for basing such a huge decision on such flimsy ‘evidence’ – ‘evidence’ that is, in fact, not ‘evidence’ at all, but YOUR ‘whim’. Unthinkingly, you have set in motion a series of events that will very badly affect a great many people (AND our precious wildlife resources)! And we are particularly angry because your decision is based on a completely erroneous perception that, TRULY, has absolutely no basis in reality. The USFWS is WRONG, Sir. It is wrong in everything that it has done, in every respect, with regard to this terrible blunder.
I believe, in view of the above, the USFWS does not even have to re-think the validity of (and to reverse) its decision to stop elephant trophy importations to the U.S. from BOTH countries. It was a wrong decision in the first place, all round! This conclusion is a no-brainer! The USFWS, therefore, should reinstate the previous status quo as quickly as possible. Your imperious dictum needs to be rescinded with immediate effect!
On behalf of the whole of Africa, Sir, I trust that the information contained in this letter/report will help you to recognise, and to understand, the errors that are inherent in your information and in your judgements in this matter; and that you will find it in your heart (and in your protocols) to withdraw this unfortunate ruling right away.
I have no axe to grind in this matter. I am too old to be a hunter and I have no vested interest in this whole salmagundi – except that I love Africa and its wildlife (especially black rhinos and elephants). I just happen to know the subject matter very well, and I am aggrieved by the fact that the USFWS could have been so insensitive, so ill-advised, and so stupid as to have even considered this action at all. It adversely impacts so very seriously on everything in Africa that I love and cherish; and I cannot sit back and say nothing about it.
In all sincerity,
Ron Thomson
CC: President Barack Obama,
The White House,
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, D.C. 20500
USA
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...koenntest du den ewig ueberlangen Text vielleicht noch auf die essentiellen Punkte zusammenfassen :idea:
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Ich habe den Text mal gelesen und ich mag es, wenn ältere Leute berichten, beschreiben, vergleichen wie es früher war. So ganz überzeugt bin ich allerdings nicht. Biologe bin ich aber auch nicht und der Mann beginnt in den 60ern, wo ich noch nicht mal auf der Welt war. Keine Ahnung wie Flora und Fauna da im Hwange und anderen Parks aussahen.

Punkte die ich nicht verstehe:
1. Der Mann konstatiert schon für Anfang der 60er Jahre eine Überpopulation an Elefanten im Hwange. Seitdem sind mehr als 50 Jahre vergangen und die Elefantenpopulation noch mal um an die 2.000% gewachsen. Wie schon hinsichtlich Chobe mal geschrieben: Müsste dann die seit Jahrzehnten angekündigte Katastrophe nicht langsam mal da sein?
2. Der Mann argumentiert, dass massenweise Elefantenbabies grausam sterben müssen, weil es wegen Überpopulation an Futter mangelt. Warum wächst die Population dann angeblich weiter?
3. Es mag Bodenerosion geben, aber das da überall nur noch der nackte Wüstenboden ist, kann ich weder vom Eindruck vor Ort noch mit Blick auf Satfotos nachvollziehen.

Der Mann hat Recht, dass man nicht an den 300 vergifteten Elefanten einen Rückgang der Elefantenpopulation festmachen kann. Aber das ist auch nicht der einzige berichtete Fall von Wilderei. Es fehlt an ganz vielen Stellen in Zimbabwe das Geld für ein funktionierendes Monitoring geschweige denn eine Bekämpfung von Wilderei.

In vielen ost- und westafrikanischen Ländern schrumpfen die Elefantenpopulationen. In den meisten südafrikanischen Ländern wachsen sie stark. Das der USFWS da selektiv reagiert, erscheint erst mal logisch. In Zimbabwe ist möglicherweise das Problem, dass es in vielen Regionen an belastbaren Daten mangelt. Zimparks hat absolut kein Geld und nicht überall springen andere Organisationen ein. Für Mana Pools gibt es jährliche Game Counts und ein großes Anwachsen der Elefantenpopulation lässt sich da für die letzten 20 Jahre überhaupt nicht nachvollziehen.
http://www.managamecount.co.zw/results.html

Wenn der Mann Recht hat und man tatsächlich in Zimbabwe (und eigentlich dem gesamten südlichen Afrika) die Elefantenbestände mindestens halbieren müsste, dann gäbe es natürlich ein arges Problem. Mehr als 100.000 Elefanten abzuschlachten ist heute nicht mehr durchführbar. Das würde weltweit eine extrem heftige Protest- und Boykottbewegung auslösen. Die würde wiederum massiv den Tourismusbestrebungen der Länder schaden und letztlich wieder das Geld zur Finanzierung von Naturschutzmaßnahmen fehlen.

Völlig missraten in dem Artikel ist meines Erachtens der Exkurs, in dem die afrikanische Jagdtradition quasi mit dem Islam in arabischen Ländern mit der Folgerung gleich gesetzt wird, dass man sich bei sowas raushalten soll.

Beste Grüße

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hatte den gleichen gedanken wie du kuno.
den text bitte aufs wesentliche und wichtige....zur not auch auf deutsch :)

gruss
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danke guido...jetzt hab ichs auch gelesen.
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Hallo Guide,
danke für deine differenzierte Betrachtung.
Wie sich das "Problem" Elefant lösen lässt kann ich dir auch nicht sagen. Ich finde es nur Falsch nach dem Prinzip "Kann nicht sein, was nicht sein darf!" das Thema totzuschweigen. Emotionen sollten in dem Bereich halt NICHT den Ausschlag geben.

Es soll bald eine Dokumentation zu dem Thema erscheinen, die wird sicher interessant.


Punkte die ich nicht verstehe:
1. Der Mann konstatiert schon für Anfang der 60er Jahre eine Überpopulation an Elefanten im Hwange. Seitdem sind mehr als 50 Jahre vergangen und die Elefantenpopulation noch mal um an die 2.000% gewachsen. Wie schon hinsichtlich Chobe mal geschrieben: Müsste dann die seit Jahrzehnten angekündigte Katastrophe nicht langsam mal da sein?
Also aus meiner Sicht ist in vielen Bereichen schon ein massiver Schaden entstanden. Deutlich sichtbar im westlichen Hwange, teilen des Chobe oder Tuli Block. Insbesondere das Schälen von Bäumen hat auf dauer einen sehr negativen Einfluss.
Es gibt durchaus ein paar Studien die einen negativen Zusammenhand zwischen zuvielen Elefanten und Schäden an Flora feststellen. Sengwa Wildlife Research Area (SWRA) in Zimbabwe wird dieser Zusammenhang seit langem untersucht. Die bewaldeten Flächen sind dort von 95,2% in 1958 auf 68,2% in 1996 gefallen.
Es gibt ähnliche Studien für den Krüger etc.
Es erscheint mir persönlich auch durchaus einleutend, dass ein Ökosystem nur eine Begrenzte Zahl einer Wildart beherbergen kann. Die Schäden an der Flora führen dann meist auch zu einem Verlust an Biodiversität. Der Rückgang des Southern Ground Hornbill wird hier oft als Beispiel genannt. Ich sehe es halt so, dass wir National Parks brauchen die Biodiversität erhalten. Ich denke nicht, dass wir Zoos wollen in denen wir einzelne (
Kann dir gerne einige Studien zuschicken z.b. http://libres.uncg.edu/ir/uncg/f/m_kalc ... s_1997.pdf
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 0701000568
2. Der Mann argumentiert, dass massenweise Elefantenbabies grausam sterben müssen, weil es wegen Überpopulation an Futter mangelt. Warum wächst die Population dann angeblich weiter?
Naja es verhungern schon viele Elefanten, insbesondere Junge Tiere. Aber es verhungern nicht so viele wie die Fortplanzung rate ist.

3. Es mag Bodenerosion geben, aber das da überall nur noch der nackte Wüstenboden ist, kann ich weder vom Eindruck vor Ort noch mit Blick auf Satfotos nachvollziehen.
Gibt schon einige BEispiele:
Sengwa : Wald - > 95,2% in 1958 auf 68,2% in 1996 (siehe auch Mapaure, I. N. and Campbell, B. M. (2002), Changes in miombo woodland cover in and around Sengwa Wildlife Research Area, Zimbabwe, in relation to elephants and fire.)

Krüger: Größere Baume -38% zwischen 1984 - 1996 (siehe auch Eckhardt, H. C., van Wilgen, B. W. and Biggs, H. C. (2000), Trends in woody vegetation cover in the Kruger National Park, South Africa, between 1940 and 1998)

Addo: Starker nachweisbarer Rückgang (siehe auch http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 0701000568)

Amboseli National Park:Starker Rückgang der meisten Bäume infolge dessen lokal Austerben von kleinem Kudu, Buschbock und anderen selektieven Äsern (siehe auch Western, D. and Maitumo, D. (2004), Woodland loss and restoration in a savanna park: a 20-year experiment.)

Diese Studien gibt es für viele Parks. Oft spielen selbstverständlich auch andere Faktoren (insb. Feuer) eine große Rolle.
Aber zu behaupten, dass Elefanten keinen Einfluss auf die Vegetation haben ist doch sehr absurd.
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Das ist meines Erachtens ein treffender, ausgewogener Artikel. Der wichtigste Satz "The solutions to poaching are just as complex as the causes.". Wir suchen immer so gern nach der einen Lösung, dem einen Hebel wo man ansetzen muss. Fast alle Probleme sind aber unheimlich komplex und man muss mühselig unheimlich viele Aspekte beackern, um Schritt für Schritt ein bisschen voran zu kommen. Trophäenjagd pauschal zu verurteilen hilft zum aktuellen Zeitpunkt genau so wenig, wie Trophäenjagd als ultimative Naturschutzmaßnahme zu glorifizieren.

Die Unterfinanzierung vieler Parks ist ein ganz wichtiger Punkt, aber zumindest in einigen Ländern hausgemacht. In Namibia wurde die Eintrittsgelder für Nationalparks seit 8 Jahren nicht erhöht und haben sich allein durch Inflation und Währungsverfall mehr als halbiert. Ca. 5 EUR pro Person und Tag für den Etosha NP sind eigentlich ein Witz. Man muss ja nicht auf das teure Kenia-Niveau springen, aber 15 EUR pro Tag halten wohl keinen Touri aus Europa ab und verdreifachen die verfügbaren Gelder. Da wird ohne Not viel Geld verschenkt.

In Botswana ist es ähnlich. Das wird allgemein als sehr teuer wahrgenommen, aber die Eintritte in die Nationalparks sind billig. Man erlaubt dort privaten Campsitebetreibern ein obszönes abkassieren, wovon Flora und Fauna aber nichts haben und was auch nicht zur Durchsetzung der "low volume, low impact"-Tourismustrategie taugt.

In Zimbabwe ist zu befürchten, dass von den Eintrittsgeldern - egal wie hoch die sind - aktuell wenig in den Parks hängen bleibt und fast alles an die zentrale Staatskasse geht.

Beste Grüße

Guido
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Einem Shit Storm im Internet ist diese hübsche 19jährige Studentin ausgesetzt. Was man ihr nicht zutrauen möchte: sie jagd und tötet Tiere. Nur so zum Spass. Die Tiere, mit denen sie auf den Bildern possiert hat sie erlegt.

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Wenn noch juengere, vielleicht nicht grad so huebsche, Jugendliche irgendwo in Schwarzafrika reihenweise Menschen umlegen und ganz ahenlich posieren.... dann loest das im Internet und in den social media keinen "Shitstorm" aus :|
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